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diff --git a/DialogOnSoftwareProjectManagement.rst b/DialogOnSoftwareProjectManagement.rst index 345b402..c3c82b2 100644 --- a/DialogOnSoftwareProjectManagement.rst +++ b/DialogOnSoftwareProjectManagement.rst @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ Dialog On Software Project Management :Authors: Hui Lan (lanhui at zjnu.edu.cn) -:Version: 0.0.8 of 2020-03-23 +:Version: 0.0.9 of 2020-03-24 .. contents:: Table of content @@ -19,6 +19,790 @@ This book contains a series of special lecture notes in a dialog form on softwar Monday, 24 February 2020 ======================== + +Morning section +----------------- + +*Discussing communications method - Reuse old project - Atomic commit - Old plan getting outdated very soon - People factor - Feature creep - Bloatware - Proprietary software - Positive reinforcement - Seemingly free but not actually free - No free lunch theorem - Netscape versus Microsoft on the web browser market share - Bundle sale of software products* + +1525200991(1525200991)10:21:32 +@蓝老师 Good morning. Some students can't access the QQ group and they wish if you could use DingTalk instead, it's more accessible for them + +(2459455104)10:28:52 good morning laoshi i have an error on the site + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)10:29:06 yes ding talk works for me too + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:29:43 Sorry I don't have DingTalk. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:30:15 Don't enter Password at kiwiirc.com + +ibrahim(1525200991)10:30:41 and we can't find the channel on freenode network + +ibrahim(1525200991)10:31:36 it's available in Nettalk(which is empty) + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:32:42 In the bottom panel of the Nettalk software. Enter the following three commands in sequence. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:33:19 /server irc.freenode.org + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:33:29 /nick MY_REAL_NAME + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:33:37 /join #spm + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:34:55 If you use the online client https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/ + +nainezz(2407048879)10:35:33 +Are we using qq or nettalk + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:36:25 We will primarily use QQ. + +ibrahim(1525200991)10:37:18 + +ibrahim(1525200991)10:37:25 +@蓝老师 + +软英171郑洪宇(1633787262)10:38:18 +@蓝老师 连不上诶 + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:38:41 You can. I believe that. + +陈真赐(1312502742)10:39:20 +haha + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:39:34 Hi guys. Let's wait for five minutes for more people to come. + +软英171郑洪宇(1633787262)10:40:44 +一直ing + +Npl.(593635848)10:41:03 +大家好，我是邵天扬 + +系统消息(10000)10:41:03 +Npl.加入本群。 + +张滨(2350711965)10:41:04 +大家好，我是张滨。 + +系统消息(10000)10:41:04 +去年今日加入本群。 + +软英171高增(1520653544)10:41:07 + +软英171高增(1520653544)10:41:19 +I can + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:41:44 Anyway, we are going to use QQ Group primarily. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:41:57 IRC channel is for people who could not connect to QQ Group. + +软英171周仙龙(1748153603)10:42:09 +Connecting... + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:43:40 I am not very familiar with QQ Group. You should pardon me if I appear to be slow in response. + +软英171高增(1520653544)10:44:09 +so，if we can use QQ,we needn't use IRC? + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:44:10 +freenode :what is that for ? + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)10:45:15 +keeps on saying connecting then still gives error so will fix it later since we will do class here + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:45:15 A freenode IRC channel is like a chatting room. But since we have QQ group, we will use QQ group. + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)10:45:25 + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:46:01 OK. Guys. If you have QQ access, you are fine. If you (or your friends) do not have QQ access, you are fine too. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:46:23 I will post our talking scripts after class. + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:46:37 +ok + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:46:44 + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:47:01 I guess everyone knows our course home page. The third bullet. + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)10:47:20 +yes + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:47:24 The home page is the main place where I post quizzes, assignments, etc. + +ibrahim(1525200991)10:47:29 +yes + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:47:42 +yes + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:47:50 + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:48:29 Here is the textbook. I think it is great. It has a French translation -- good news for a number of students who speak French). + +ibrahim(1525200991)10:48:30 +sure + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:48:54 It also has a Chinese translation. Unfortunately, I don't know how to make a PDF file from the XML files. + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:49:29 +Arabica + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:49:34 I plan to use this textbook, plus some essays on software project management. + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:49:51 + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:50:05 Remind me to create quiz 2 submission portal on LRR. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:50:49 So I put more weight on Final Examination than before, 10% more. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:51:07 The reason is that I want you to do more independent reading. + +软英171高增(1520653544)10:51:30 +teacher，I think you can use QQ phone + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:51:42 Quizzes are easy. Most people can get full marks I think, as long as your answers make sense (and are Short). + +ibrahim(1525200991)10:52:38 +yes + +201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)10:52:40 +Yes + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:52:41 +Yes + +201732120135 玛莎(3534763826)10:52:44 +yea + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:52:45 Not good at sound, video stuff. + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)10:52:46 +Yes + +201732120168_Golden(2984538488)10:52:52 +Yes + +软英171 郑可富(1924773187)10:52:52 +Yes + +nainezz(2407048879)10:52:55 +@蓝老师 Yh 201732120147 + +Anderson (3034352269)10:53:01 +Laoshi so what do we do since we can’t connect to the free node? + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)10:53:03 +yes + +201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)10:53:05 +yes + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:53:19 My sound is badly distorted. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:53:28 Don't you think so? + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:54:22 +It’s good + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:54:32 + +张滨(2350711965)10:54:35 +Yeap + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)10:55:00 +Yeah + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:55:27 We are going to have 7-10 quizzes. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:55:47 We already have 2 now. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:06 You guys submit to LRR before the deadline. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:19 Course code: CSC322. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:34 + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:39 Course project. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:58 You can re-do stuff you did in my OOAD class. Just make sure it is better. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:57:28 Most people did poorly in our OOAD project, particularly the part about commit messages. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:58:14 I hope you can understand the importance of atomic commits and use that concept in practice. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:58:21 ATOMIC COMMIT + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)10:58:40 +Is it so important Laoshi? + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:58:48 I am quite flexible on group size. 1,2,3,4, all acceptable. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:59:12 Quite important, for future maintainers. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:59:35 I am a bit worried about how you are going to collaborate remotely. + +蓝老师(1348141770)10:59:57 But coronavirus is giving us a great chance to test that out. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:00:16 China's remote learning might become world-class after this epidemic. + +201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:00:51 +DingTalk + +201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:01:06 +Is good laoshi + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:01:07 No country in the last century has suffered such a shutdown - everyone is forced to stay at home. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:01:34 Thank you, DingTalk guy. Not going to use that now. + +系统消息(10000)11:01:46 +马龙加入本群。 + +FADHEL ABDULLAH(3071163205)11:01:46 +大家好，我是FADHEL ABDULLAH 。 + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:01:58 +@FADHEL ABDULLAH + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:02:07 Welcome FADHEL ABDULLAH + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:02:31 So you have a great advantage since you have taken my OOAD course. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:02:48 You could continue to work on the OAPS project. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:03:30 Make sure you make it better, e.g., better commit messages, better comments. + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:04:08 +okay + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:04:42 This is something we need to worry later. Hopefully we can have an on-site exam. + +201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:05:36 +For maintaining the LRR, are the files uploaded the most recent updates? + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:05:37: Probably not. I will upload the most updated LRR source code shortly. Remind me if I forget. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:05:37 If not, I plan to do takehome exam. That is, I give you a really long exam booklet, and you finish it in one day. + +201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:05:58 + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:05:58 You finish it in one day, without consulting to external resources. + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:06:04 +Good + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:06:16 You may need to sign something, e.g., Code of Conduct. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:06:21 Hope that won't happen. + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:06:26 +Not good + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:06:30 Let's take a five-minute break. + +201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)11:06:46 +OK laoshi + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:06:52 Will be back at 11:11am. + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:06:59 +Ok + +AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:08:12 + +大家好，我是AHAMED SABUJ的妈妈。 + +系统消息(10000)11:08:12 + +201732120141-AHAMED SABUJ加入本群。 + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:09:33 +好的 + +yahya22(1714796258)11:09:44 +when are we supposed to submit quiz 2? + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:10:11 +Will create Quiz 2 late today.@蓝老师 + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:10:11 +Check lanlab.org website + +201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:10:34 +There is no link in LRR + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:11:05 +quiz 2 is not showing on LRR for me + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:11:27 + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:11:32 + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:11:38 +He didn’t create link yet + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:11:40 + +@Samantha 201632120140 + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:11:46 +oh okay thank you + +系统消息(10000)11:11:53 + +201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈邀请201732120157 hossain arif加入了本群。 + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:12:39 Guys. Let's move on. I may take attendance at 11:55 by taking a screenshot. + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:12:59 +Okay + +nainezz(2407048879)11:13:45 +Alright + +ibrahim(1525200991)11:13:52 +you just said there is no attendance ?? + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:13:55 As long as I am concerned, people factor is the most important. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:14:20 Developers are really valuable. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:14:48 One primary job of management is to create an environment in which developers can produce. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:15:20 Manager's job: "Create a Development Abstraction Layer" - Joel Spolsky. + +Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:15:55 +how do I join this thing? + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:16:17 ??? + +Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:16:42 +are you teaching live? + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:16:48 +@蓝老师 : How we can take the course online or just typing + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:17:05 Just typing. No video, no sound. + +Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:17:13 +oh okay + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:17:21 +How about attendance + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:17:30 +How it can be + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:18:15 https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/04/11/the-development-abstraction-layer-2/ + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:18:38 This above link has an essay talking about development abstraction layer. Maybe it will be your next reading. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:19:22 The other difficulty in management is that Old Plan becomes Old very soon. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:19:51 Things change really rapidly, before and after your customers see your product. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:20:31 Feature creep could drive you like crazy. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:20:42 Netscape team suffered this. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:21:36 They were working like crazy to compete with Microsoft, wanting to add more features to their browser, Netscape Navigator. + +Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:22:52 +what happens to people who does not have QQ? + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:22:55 Feature creep, if not well controlled, could mess up your codebase. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:23:22 Could also delay a planned release. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:24:14 If people do not have QQ, they should sign up for one. If they could not sign up (I don't see the reason why they cannot), I will send them the lecture script. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:24:53 Netscape tried to make a bloatware. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:25:19 A bloatware that includes Netscape Navigator, Netscape Address Book, Netscape Mail, Newsgroups, and Netscape Composer. + +Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:25:44 +they couldn't.....what about attendance? + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:26:01 The more you try to do, the more likely you make errors. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:26:18 Could they do IRC? + +201732120151 Barkay sanoussi(3178573723)11:26:18 +@Abadura Yahya 201732120136 read above messages + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:26:33 Appearing on IRC is acceptable too. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:27:02 AVOID FEATURE CREEP. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:27:46 Admit that. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:27:58 You cannot do a lot of things in a limited period of time. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:28:06 Not to mention Great things. + +Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:28:10 +they can't it's not working for them + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:28:10 Great things need time. + +ibrahim(1525200991)11:28:19 + +Question + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:28:28 Yes? + +ibrahim(1525200991)11:28:54 +what about if the stakeholders are asking to add more features? + +ibrahim(1525200991)11:29:06 +that may harm the base + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:29:16 +he addressed the issues before @Abadura Yahya 201732120136 so you can ask him after the class so let him procees with the class and ask questions later please + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:29:21 Tell them the impact of adding more features on the schedule. + +ABDALMUHAYMEN M.A.KHALIL 201730210234(1071107298)11:29:24 +Yes I was about to ask thie same question + +ibrahim(1525200991)11:29:25 +the same thing happend to Netscape + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:29:35 +proceed* + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:29:53 So the Netscape team was like crazy in catching up. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:30:26 As a result, they delivered buggy products. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:30:39 Version 5.0 was delayed. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:30:55 Because they were unable to deliver a stable product. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:31:06 In fact, version 5.0 was never delivered. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:32:35 There is a documentary called Code Rush (55 minutes long). + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:32:43 https://www.bilibili.com/video/av15989846?from=search&seid=9345778025746004042 + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:32:58 You could watch it when you have time. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:33:05 Let's take a five-minute break. + +nainezz(2407048879)11:33:23 +Ok + +ABDALMUHAYMEN M.A.KHALIL 201730210234(1071107298)11:33:25 + +201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:33:25 + +201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)11:33:30 +interesting! + +201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)11:33:42 +ok laoshi! + +201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:33:47 +The address is invalid + +201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:34:11 +For the documentary + +ABDALMUHAYMEN M.A.KHALIL 201730210234(1071107298)11:34:21 + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:34:38 We will be back at 11:40. + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:35:35 +okay + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:41:17 Let's move on. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:41:29 You watch the video when you have time. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:41:38 I won't use the lecture time for watching videos. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:42:58 The other thing that is Really important is that you need to make sure: am I developing/using Proprietary Software? + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:43:30 If you use part of Proprietary Software (code) in your product, you are in danger of future trouble. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:43:37 Netscape team had that trouble. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:44:31 A few days before their major release, they noticed that their code depended on Apple's code! + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:44:49 Bang! They had to beg Apple for permission to use that code. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:44:52 Not allowed. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:45:03 They had to re-write that part overnight. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:45:33 It is generally OK if you don't sell your product which contains code of not your own. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:46:26 However, if you want to sell millions of copies of your product to make profit and include something from elsewhere (Proprietary, i.e., Owned by Others), then you are going to have headaches. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:48:05 As a serious software manager, you do need to know the Difference between Proprietary and Open source. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:48:24 People are looking at your money. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:49:08 In the US, people take copyright really seriously. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:49:18 That is good for a society. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:49:41 If people do not buy other people's efforts, no further efforts will be made. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:50:12 Positive reinforcement is needed in a healthy society. The US government knows that. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:50:45 Some people may wonder: I am using QQ for Free. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:50:58 The question is: is it Really free of charge? + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:51:12 According to the No Free Lunch theorem, the answer is No. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:51:27 Tencent treats you (the customer) as a product! + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:52:02 The company could make profit elsewhere, e.g., advertisements, social influence, government funds, etc. + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:52:02 +It’s totally not free + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:52:10 +Part of it free + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:52:34 Microsoft did something similar. IE is free. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:53:11 Miscrosoft spent lots of money (billions) on developing IE. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:53:24 How could it give it away for free? + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:53:34 There is a purpose behind that: market share. + +201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:54:10 +that's how netscape loose thear market + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:54:28 Same thing on online education, Tencent Meeting, Zoom Conferencing, etc. They are free during the epidemic. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:55:01 Netscape tried to be free too, for personal use. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:55:17 But the bad thing is that Microsoft bundled their IE with the Windows operating system. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:55:40 90% of personal desktop computers were pre-installed with Windows. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:55:52 That is definitely an upper hand for Microsoft. + +201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:56:00 +yes here is the answer of quiz 2 haha + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:56:27 Average people usually do not switch default browser if it is that bad. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:56:44 I mean average people, 70% of the people. + +201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:57:06 +teacher it's time to take attendance + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:57:15 http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~eecsba1/sp98/reports/eecsba1c/pj1/freq.gif + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:57:47 +@201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈 yeah + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:57: === TAKE ATTENDANCE, PLEASE REPLY YOUR STUDENT NUMBER === + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:58:06 +201732120143 + +201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:58:09 +201732120141 + +ABDALMUHAYMEN 201730210234(1071107298)11:58:11 +201730210234 + +ibrahim(1525200991)11:58:12 +201732120159 + +Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:58:12 +201732120136 + +陈真赐(1312502742)11:58:13 201732120114 + +软英171 陆博业(2794513466)11:58:13 201732120119 + +郑晓钰(280768265)11:58:14 201732120110 + +nainezz(2407048879)11:58:15 201732120173 + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:58:16 201732120146 + +FADHEL ABDULLAH(3071163205)11:58:17 201532120139 + +201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)11:58:17 201732120134 + +叶涵涛(2289316051)11:58:17 201732120125 + +李佳兴(421281726)11:58:21 201732120118 + +张滨(2350711965)11:58:21 201732120127 + +201732120157 hossain arif<charif19282@qq.com&get;11:58:23 201732120157 + +201732120151 Barkay sanoussi(3178573723)11:58:24 201732120151 + +谢佳聪(1249923715)11:58:28 201732120123 + +软英171 吕伊豪(745291576)11:58:28 201732120120 + +201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:58:30 201732120147 + +201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:58:43 201632120150 + +Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:58:50 201632120140 + +软英171 郑可富(1924773187)11:58:53 201732120129 + +软英171高增(1520653544)11:58:54 201732120117 + +软英171陈金龙(864945570)11:58:57 201732120112 + +应宇腾(1356633192)11:58:57 201732120126 + +软英171戴泽荣(975336710)11:59:07 201732120115 + +杰西卡(2422938906)11:59:11 201732120133 + +201732120135 玛莎(3534763826)11:59:32 201732120135 + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:59:33 Thanks guys. Bye. + +蓝老师(1348141770)11:59:52 Please do not ask questions here outside lecture time. Use email. + +nainezz(2407048879)11:59:54 +So the class is over + +ibrahim(1525200991)11:59:58 +@蓝老师 check the people in iec + +软英171陈伟超(937202326)12:00:00 +201732120113 + +Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)12:00:02 +Class is over ? + +杰西卡(2422938906)12:00:05 +oh is class over? + +201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)12:00:09 +appreciated + +ibrahim(1525200991)12:00:14 +irc** + +ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)12:00:20 +Yeah over + +杰西卡(2422938906)12:00:22 +time flies + +软英171周仙龙(1748153603)12:00:50 +201732120130 + +好为人师的我(984456043)12:01:01 +201732120111 + +软英171郑洪宇(1633787262)12:02:39 +201732120128 + +201732120168_Golden(2984538488)12:02:39 +201732120168 + +Npl.(593635848)12:07:02 +201732120121 + +tarmom(2104297320)12:15:21 +201732120166 + +201732120167 Clive妈妈(3321692247)12:16:06 +20173210167 + +[Attendance from the IRC channel #spm] + +- Hui joined + +- MY_REAL_NAME joined + +<lanhui>Hi guys. Let's wait for five minutes for more people to come. + +<lanhui whispers to MY_REAL_NAME>Please change your nick name using the following command: /nick MyRealName + +<lanhui whispers to MY_REAL_NAME>Replace MyRealName with your real name. + +- MY_REAL_NAME is now known as Ashly_2016321201 + +- ALBOROMWARD joined + +<lanhui>Thanks for joining #spm channel. + +- MYRealName joined + +<lanhui>You guys don't have QQ? + +<Ashly_2016321201>we have + +<MYRealName>I have it + +<Ashly_2016321201>we are in the group too + +- MyRealName15 joined + +<ALBOROMWARD>hello world + +<ALBOROMWARD>i'm in + +- YEBOAH joined + +- MYRealName quit (Remote host closed the connection) + +- IBRAHIM201732120 joined + +- MyRealName15 is now known as JESSICA201731220 + +- JESSICA201731220 is now known as JESSICA20133 + +- zhouxianlong quit (Remote host closed the connection) + +<JESSICA20133>Helloooo... anyone there? + +<Ashly_2016321201>we are using QQ now + +<JESSICA20133>i thought it was both. i wanted to see how this works.. + +- YEBOAH quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) + +- IBRAHIM201732120 quit (Quit: IBRAHIM201732120) + +- Mohamed201732120 joined + +<Mohamed201732120>My student I.D : 201732120165 + +<Mohamed201732120>since it's not fully shown in the list + +<Mohamed201732120>201732120165 + +<Mohamed201732120>I'm here lanhui + +<Mohamed201732120>can't join QQ + +<lanhui>OK. + +<lanhui>What is your student number? + +<Mohamed201732120>201732120165 + +<lanhui>Hi guys. Please write your student number below. + +<lanhui>I will post our lecture script later. + +<Mohamed201732120>201732120165 + +<Mohamed201732120>OK + + + Afternoon section ----------------- |