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@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ Dialog On Software Project Management
 
 :Authors: Hui Lan (lanhui at zjnu.edu.cn)
 
-:Version: 0.0.8 of 2020-03-23
+:Version: 0.0.9 of 2020-03-24
 
 
 .. contents:: Table of content
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 Monday, 24 February 2020
 ========================
 
+
+Morning section
+-----------------
+
+*Discussing communications method - Reuse old project -  Atomic commit - Old plan getting outdated very soon - People factor - Feature creep - Bloatware - Proprietary software - Positive reinforcement - Seemingly free but not actually free - No free lunch theorem - Netscape versus Microsoft on the web browser market share - Bundle sale of software products*
+
+1525200991(1525200991)10:21:32
+@蓝老师 Good morning. Some students can't access the QQ group and they wish if you could use DingTalk instead, it's more accessible for them
+
+(2459455104)10:28:52  good morning laoshi i have an error on the site
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)10:29:06  yes ding talk works for me too
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:29:43  Sorry I don't have DingTalk.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:30:15  Don't enter Password at kiwiirc.com
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)10:30:41  and we can't find the channel on freenode network
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)10:31:36  it's available in Nettalk(which is empty)
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:32:42  In the bottom panel of the Nettalk software.  Enter the following three commands in sequence.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:33:19  /server irc.freenode.org
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:33:29  /nick MY_REAL_NAME
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:33:37  /join #spm
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:34:55  If you use the online client https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/
+
+nainezz(2407048879)10:35:33
+Are we using qq or nettalk
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:36:25  We will primarily use QQ.
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)10:37:18
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)10:37:25
+@蓝老师
+
+软英171郑洪宇(1633787262)10:38:18
+@蓝老师 连不上诶
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:38:41  You can.  I believe that.
+
+陈真赐(1312502742)10:39:20
+haha
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:39:34  Hi guys.  Let's wait for five minutes for more people to come.
+
+软英171郑洪宇(1633787262)10:40:44
+一直ing
+
+Npl.(593635848)10:41:03
+大家好，我是邵天扬
+
+系统消息(10000)10:41:03
+Npl.加入本群。
+
+张滨(2350711965)10:41:04
+大家好，我是张滨。
+
+系统消息(10000)10:41:04
+去年今日加入本群。
+
+软英171高增(1520653544)10:41:07
+
+软英171高增(1520653544)10:41:19
+I can
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:41:44  Anyway, we are going to use QQ Group primarily.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:41:57  IRC channel is for people who could not connect to QQ Group.
+
+软英171周仙龙(1748153603)10:42:09
+Connecting...
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:43:40  I am not very familiar with QQ Group.  You should pardon me if I appear to be slow in response.
+
+软英171高增(1520653544)10:44:09
+so，if we can use QQ,we needn't use IRC?
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:44:10
+freenode :what is that for ?
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)10:45:15
+keeps on saying connecting then still gives error  so will fix it later since we will do class here
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:45:15  A freenode IRC channel is like a chatting room.  But since we have QQ group, we will use QQ group.
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)10:45:25
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:46:01  OK.  Guys.  If you have QQ access, you are fine.  If you (or your friends) do not have QQ access, you are fine too.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:46:23  I will post our talking scripts after class.
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:46:37
+ok
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:46:44
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:47:01  I guess everyone knows our course home page.  The third bullet.
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)10:47:20
+yes
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:47:24  The home page is the main place where I post quizzes, assignments, etc.
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)10:47:29
+yes
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:47:42
+yes
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:47:50
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:48:29  Here is the textbook.  I think it is great.  It has a French translation -- good news for a number of students who speak French).
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)10:48:30
+sure
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:48:54  It also has a Chinese translation.  Unfortunately, I don't know how to make a PDF file from the XML files.
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:49:29
+Arabica
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:49:34  I plan to use this textbook, plus some essays on software project management.
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:49:51
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:50:05  Remind me to create quiz 2 submission portal on LRR.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:50:49  So I put more weight on Final Examination than before, 10% more.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:51:07  The reason is that I want you to do more independent reading.
+
+软英171高增(1520653544)10:51:30
+teacher，I think you can use QQ phone
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:51:42  Quizzes are easy.  Most people can get full marks I think, as long as your answers make sense (and are Short).
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)10:52:38
+yes
+
+201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)10:52:40
+Yes
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:52:41
+Yes
+
+201732120135 玛莎(3534763826)10:52:44
+yea
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:52:45  Not good at sound, video stuff.
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)10:52:46
+Yes
+
+201732120168_Golden(2984538488)10:52:52
+Yes
+
+软英171 郑可富(1924773187)10:52:52
+Yes
+
+nainezz(2407048879)10:52:55
+@蓝老师 Yh   201732120147
+
+Anderson (3034352269)10:53:01
+Laoshi so what do we do since we can’t connect to the free node?
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)10:53:03
+yes
+
+201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)10:53:05
+yes
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:53:19  My sound is badly distorted.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:53:28  Don't you think so?
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)10:54:22
+It’s good
+  
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:54:32
+
+张滨(2350711965)10:54:35
+Yeap
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)10:55:00
+Yeah
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:55:27  We are going to have 7-10 quizzes.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:55:47  We already have 2 now.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:06  You guys submit to LRR before the deadline.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:19  Course code: CSC322.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:34
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:39  Course project.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:56:58  You can re-do stuff you did in my OOAD class.  Just make sure it is better.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:57:28  Most people did poorly in our OOAD project, particularly the part about commit messages.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:58:14  I hope you can understand the importance of atomic commits and use that concept in practice.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:58:21  ATOMIC COMMIT
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)10:58:40
+Is it so important Laoshi?
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:58:48  I am quite flexible on group size.  1,2,3,4, all acceptable.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:59:12  Quite important, for future maintainers.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:59:35  I am a bit worried about how you are going to collaborate remotely.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)10:59:57  But coronavirus is giving us a great chance to test that out.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:00:16  China's remote learning might become world-class after this epidemic.
+
+201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:00:51
+DingTalk
+
+201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:01:06
+Is good laoshi
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:01:07  No country in the last century has suffered such a shutdown - everyone is forced to stay at home.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:01:34  Thank you, DingTalk guy.  Not going to use that now.
+
+系统消息(10000)11:01:46
+马龙加入本群。
+
+FADHEL ABDULLAH(3071163205)11:01:46
+大家好，我是FADHEL ABDULLAH 。
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:01:58
+@FADHEL ABDULLAH
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:02:07  Welcome FADHEL ABDULLAH
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:02:31  So you have a great advantage since you have taken my OOAD course.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:02:48  You could continue to work on the OAPS project.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:03:30  Make sure you make it better, e.g., better commit messages, better comments.
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:04:08
+okay
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:04:42  This is something we need to worry later.  Hopefully we can have an on-site exam.
+
+201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:05:36
+For maintaining the LRR, are the files uploaded the most recent updates?
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:05:37: Probably not.  I will upload the most updated LRR source code shortly.  Remind me if I forget.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:05:37  If not, I plan to do takehome exam.  That is, I give you a really long exam booklet, and you finish it in one day.
+
+201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:05:58
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:05:58  You finish it in one day, without consulting to external resources.
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:06:04
+Good
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:06:16  You may need to sign something, e.g., Code of Conduct.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:06:21  Hope that won't happen.
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:06:26
+Not good
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:06:30  Let's take a five-minute break.
+
+201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)11:06:46
+OK laoshi
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:06:52  Will be back at 11:11am.
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:06:59
+Ok
+
+AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:08:12
+
+大家好，我是AHAMED SABUJ的妈妈。
+
+系统消息(10000)11:08:12
+
+201732120141-AHAMED SABUJ加入本群。
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:09:33
+好的
+
+yahya22(1714796258)11:09:44
+when are we supposed to submit quiz 2?
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:10:11
+Will create Quiz 2 late today.@蓝老师
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:10:11
+Check lanlab.org website
+
+201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:10:34
+There is no link in LRR
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:11:05
+quiz 2 is not showing on LRR for me
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:11:27
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:11:32
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:11:38
+He didn’t create link yet
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:11:40
+
+@Samantha 201632120140
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:11:46
+oh okay thank you
+
+系统消息(10000)11:11:53
+
+201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈邀请201732120157 hossain arif加入了本群。
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:12:39  Guys.  Let's move on.  I may take attendance at 11:55 by taking a screenshot.
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:12:59
+Okay
+
+nainezz(2407048879)11:13:45
+Alright
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)11:13:52
+you just said there is no attendance ??
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:13:55  As long as I am concerned, people factor is the most important.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:14:20  Developers are really valuable.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:14:48  One primary job of management is to create an environment in which developers can produce.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:15:20  Manager's job: "Create a Development Abstraction Layer" - Joel Spolsky.
+
+Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:15:55
+how do I join this thing?
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:16:17  ???
+
+Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:16:42
+are you teaching live?
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:16:48
+@蓝老师  : How we can take the course online or just typing
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:17:05  Just typing.  No video, no sound.
+
+Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:17:13
+oh okay
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:17:21
+How about attendance
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:17:30
+How it can be
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:18:15  https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/04/11/the-development-abstraction-layer-2/
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:18:38  This above link has an essay talking about development abstraction layer.  Maybe it will be your next reading.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:19:22  The other difficulty in management is that Old Plan becomes Old very soon.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:19:51  Things change really rapidly, before and after your customers see your product.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:20:31  Feature creep could drive you like crazy.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:20:42  Netscape team suffered this.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:21:36  They were working like crazy to compete with Microsoft, wanting to add more features to their browser,  Netscape Navigator.
+
+Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:22:52
+what happens to people who does not have QQ?
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:22:55  Feature creep, if not well controlled, could mess up your codebase.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:23:22  Could also delay a planned release.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:24:14  If people do not have QQ, they should sign up for one.  If they could not sign up (I don't see the reason why they cannot), I will send them the lecture script.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:24:53  Netscape tried to make a bloatware.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:25:19  A bloatware that includes Netscape Navigator, Netscape Address Book, Netscape Mail, Newsgroups, and Netscape Composer.
+
+Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:25:44
+they couldn't.....what about attendance?
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:26:01  The more you try to do, the more likely you make errors.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:26:18  Could they do IRC?
+
+201732120151 Barkay sanoussi(3178573723)11:26:18
+@Abadura Yahya 201732120136 read above messages
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:26:33  Appearing on IRC is acceptable too.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:27:02  AVOID FEATURE CREEP.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:27:46  Admit that.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:27:58  You cannot do a lot of things in a limited period of time.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:28:06  Not to mention Great things.
+
+Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:28:10
+they can't it's not working for them
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:28:10  Great things need time.
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)11:28:19
+
+Question
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:28:28  Yes?
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)11:28:54
+what about if the stakeholders are asking to add more features?
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)11:29:06
+that may harm the base
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:29:16
+he addressed the issues before  @Abadura Yahya 201732120136  so you can ask him after the class so let him procees with the class and ask questions later please
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:29:21  Tell them the impact of adding more features on the schedule.
+
+ABDALMUHAYMEN M.A.KHALIL 201730210234(1071107298)11:29:24
+Yes I was about to ask thie same question
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)11:29:25
+the same thing happend to Netscape
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:29:35
+proceed*
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:29:53  So the Netscape team was like crazy in catching up.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:30:26  As a result, they delivered buggy products.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:30:39  Version 5.0 was delayed.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:30:55  Because they were unable to deliver a stable product.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:31:06  In fact, version 5.0 was never delivered.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:32:35  There is a documentary called Code Rush (55 minutes long).
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:32:43  https://www.bilibili.com/video/av15989846?from=search&seid=9345778025746004042
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:32:58  You could watch it when you have time.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:33:05  Let's take a five-minute break.
+
+nainezz(2407048879)11:33:23
+Ok
+
+ABDALMUHAYMEN M.A.KHALIL 201730210234(1071107298)11:33:25
+
+201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:33:25
+
+201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)11:33:30
+interesting!
+
+201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)11:33:42
+ok laoshi!
+
+201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:33:47
+The address is invalid
+
+201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:34:11
+For the documentary
+
+ABDALMUHAYMEN M.A.KHALIL 201730210234(1071107298)11:34:21
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:34:38  We will be back at 11:40.
+
+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:35:35
+okay
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:41:17  Let's move on.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:41:29  You watch the video when you have time.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:41:38  I won't use the lecture time for watching videos.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:42:58  The other thing that is Really important is that you need to make sure: am I developing/using Proprietary Software?
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:43:30  If you use part of Proprietary Software (code) in your product, you are in danger of future trouble.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:43:37  Netscape team had that trouble.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:44:31  A few days before their major release,  they noticed that their code depended on Apple's code!
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:44:49  Bang! They had to beg Apple for permission to use that code.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:44:52  Not allowed.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:45:03  They had to re-write that part overnight.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:45:33  It is generally OK if you don't sell your product which contains code of not your own.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:46:26  However, if you want to sell millions of copies of your product to make profit and include something from elsewhere (Proprietary, i.e., Owned by Others), then you are going to have headaches.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:48:05  As a serious software manager, you do need to know the Difference between Proprietary and Open source.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:48:24  People are looking at your money.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:49:08  In the US, people take copyright really seriously.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:49:18  That is good for a society.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:49:41  If people do not buy other people's efforts, no further efforts will be made.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:50:12  Positive reinforcement is needed in a healthy society.  The US government knows that.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:50:45  Some people may wonder:  I am using QQ for Free.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:50:58  The question is: is it Really free of charge?
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:51:12  According to the No Free Lunch theorem, the answer is No.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:51:27  Tencent treats you (the customer) as a product!
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:52:02  The company could make profit elsewhere, e.g., advertisements, social influence, government funds, etc.
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+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:52:02
+It’s totally not free
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:52:10
+Part of it free
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:52:34  Microsoft did something similar.  IE is free.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:53:11  Miscrosoft spent lots of money (billions) on developing IE.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:53:24  How could it give it away for free?
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+蓝老师(1348141770)11:53:34  There is a purpose behind that: market share.
+
+201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:54:10
+that's how netscape loose thear market
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:54:28  Same thing on online education, Tencent Meeting, Zoom Conferencing, etc.   They are free during the epidemic.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:55:01  Netscape tried to be free too, for personal use.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:55:17  But the bad thing is that Microsoft bundled their IE with the Windows operating system.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:55:40  90% of personal desktop computers were pre-installed with Windows.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:55:52  That is definitely an upper hand for Microsoft.
+
+201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:56:00
+yes here is the answer of quiz 2 haha
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:56:27  Average people usually do not switch default browser if it is that bad.
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:56:44  I mean average people, 70% of the people.
+
+201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:57:06
+teacher it's time to take attendance
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:57:15  http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~eecsba1/sp98/reports/eecsba1c/pj1/freq.gif
+
+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:57:47
+@201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈 yeah
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:57: === TAKE ATTENDANCE, PLEASE REPLY YOUR STUDENT NUMBER ===
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)11:58:06
+201732120143
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+201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)11:58:09
+201732120141
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+ABDALMUHAYMEN 201730210234(1071107298)11:58:11
+201730210234
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+ibrahim(1525200991)11:58:12
+201732120159
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+Abadura Yahya 201732120136(1714796258)11:58:12
+201732120136 
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+陈真赐(1312502742)11:58:13  201732120114 
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+软英171 陆博业(2794513466)11:58:13  201732120119 
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+郑晓钰(280768265)11:58:14  201732120110 
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+nainezz(2407048879)11:58:15  201732120173 
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+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)11:58:16  201732120146 
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+FADHEL ABDULLAH(3071163205)11:58:17  201532120139 
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+201732120134_Michelle(3304952232)11:58:17  201732120134 
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+叶涵涛(2289316051)11:58:17  201732120125 
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+李佳兴(421281726)11:58:21  201732120118 
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+张滨(2350711965)11:58:21  201732120127 
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+201732120157 hossain arif<charif19282@qq.com&get;11:58:23  201732120157 
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+201732120151 Barkay sanoussi(3178573723)11:58:24  201732120151 
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+谢佳聪(1249923715)11:58:28  201732120123 
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+软英171 吕伊豪(745291576)11:58:28  201732120120 
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+201732120147 Anderson (3034352269)11:58:30  201732120147 
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+201632120150-Ashly(1661411131)11:58:43  201632120150 
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+Samantha 201632120140(2459455104)11:58:50  201632120140 
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+软英171 郑可富(1924773187)11:58:53  201732120129 
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+软英171高增(1520653544)11:58:54  201732120117 
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+软英171陈金龙(864945570)11:58:57  201732120112 
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+应宇腾(1356633192)11:58:57  201732120126 
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+软英171戴泽荣(975336710)11:59:07  201732120115 
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+杰西卡(2422938906)11:59:11  201732120133 
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+201732120135 玛莎(3534763826)11:59:32  201732120135 
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+蓝老师(1348141770)11:59:33  Thanks guys. Bye. 
+
+蓝老师(1348141770)11:59:52  Please do not ask questions here outside lecture time.  Use email. 
+
+nainezz(2407048879)11:59:54
+So the class is over  
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)11:59:58
+@蓝老师 check the people in iec
+
+软英171陈伟超(937202326)12:00:00
+201732120113 
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+Saeed : 201732120146(446571011)12:00:02
+Class is over ?  
+
+杰西卡(2422938906)12:00:05
+oh is class  over?  
+
+201732120141--AHAMED SABUJ妈妈(2686217157)12:00:09
+appreciated  
+
+ibrahim(1525200991)12:00:14
+irc** 
+
+ALBOROM WARD-201732120143家长(3279308836)12:00:20
+Yeah over 
+
+杰西卡(2422938906)12:00:22
+time flies 
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+软英171周仙龙(1748153603)12:00:50
+201732120130 
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+201732120167 Clive妈妈(3321692247)12:16:06
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+[Attendance from the IRC channel #spm]
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+<lanhui>Hi guys.  Let's wait for five minutes for more people to come.
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+<lanhui whispers to MY_REAL_NAME>Please change your nick name using the following command: /nick MyRealName
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+<lanhui whispers to MY_REAL_NAME>Replace MyRealName with your real name.
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+- MY_REAL_NAME is now known as Ashly_2016321201
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+<lanhui>Thanks for joining #spm channel.
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+<lanhui>You guys don't have QQ?
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+<Ashly_2016321201>we have
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+<MYRealName>I have it
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+<Ashly_2016321201>we are in the group too
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+<ALBOROMWARD>hello world
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+<ALBOROMWARD>i'm in
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+<JESSICA20133>Helloooo... anyone there?
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+<Ashly_2016321201>we are using QQ now
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+<JESSICA20133>i thought it was both. i wanted to see how this works..
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+<Mohamed201732120>My student I.D : 201732120165
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+<Mohamed201732120>since it's not fully shown in the list
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+<Mohamed201732120>201732120165
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+<Mohamed201732120>I'm here lanhui
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+<Mohamed201732120>can't join QQ
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+<lanhui>OK.
+
+<lanhui>What is your student number?
+
+<Mohamed201732120>201732120165
+
+<lanhui>Hi guys. Please write  your student number below.
+
+<lanhui>I will post our lecture script later.
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+<Mohamed201732120>201732120165
+
+<Mohamed201732120>OK 
+
+
+
 Afternoon section
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